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Active Oldest Votes. Improve this answer. Community Bot 1. Hypnosifl Hypnosifl Makes my 6 billion look puny! If you're going to go with alternate timelines as acceptable, I'll see your Yesterday's Enterprise and raise you the entire Galaxy: "The Federation's gone , the Borg are everywhere , we're all that's left!

Shadur - Good point, the body count was probably high there, though it's possible they killed most of starfleet in a repeat of Wolf , and after that the assimilation of the galaxy was relatively bloodless and assimilations shouldn't be included in the death count.

Raphael - A battle between footsoldiers is different than a battle between ships, though--Russia was willing to sacrifice a huge number of soldiers because they had a large population but not enough of an industrial advantage to give them the equipment needed to make them as effective as individual German soldiers. I think with air or sea battles involving costly planes and ships, you'd find few if any cases where the winning side lost many more of these vehicles than the losing side. And we also have tended to see that Klingon ships are more sparsely crewed than Federation ships.

Show 3 more comments. Possibly over 18 billion In the events leading up to Star Trek , the planet Romulus is destroyed and its population of over 18 billion is wiped out when the Hobus star goes supernova — a tragedy that Spock tried, but failed, to prevent.

Praxis Praxis k 46 46 gold badges silver badges bronze badges. Good call; I'd forgotten about that duh - that's what led to the whole reboot franchise! TheDoc : No worries, yours is good too and I also would have put Vulcan for my answer and just left it at that.

Glad to have been of help then! Hypnosifl : Sure. I'm just offering a catastrophe that occurred to me that had not been listed by either you or the TheDoc. It's the OP's job to pick the answer that best fits his question.

That being said, the Federation was actually involved in the Hobus incident. Spock was trying to stop it, and LaForge had designed Spock's special vessel for deploying the red matter. Despite an attempt to hide from the Cube in the Paulson Nebula , the Borg boarded the Enterprise and transported Picard to their vessel, which promptly set a course to the Sol System. Starfleet Admiral J. Hanson ordered a fleet of forty Starfleet vessels to assemble in the Wolf System to intercept the Cube before it reached its target.

Meanwhile the Borg assimilated Picard, turning him into a drone designated " Locutus of Borg. By the time the Cube reached Wolf in early , the Borg had assimilated all of Picard's knowledge, giving them a great advantage against the Starfleet armada.

All but one Starfleet ships were ultimately destroyed, with a death toll of over 11, Among the vessels destroyed were the U. Ahwahnee , U. It was a heartbreaker, because it was a lot of work and very good-looking stuff—much bigger than anything seen on a TNG show. In "Emissary", however, it was that of a nameless hulk , as the name Melbourne was now usurped by the Excelsior -class vessel, destroyed a few scenes earlier on.

Still, it has the distinction of being the only studio model , besides that of the Borg cube, present in both depictions of the Battle of Wolf and its aftermath. A variety of new " kit-bash " starship classes were constructed to depict the floating wrecks in the aftermath of the battle, which included the Freedom -class, the Niagara -class, the Cheyenne -class, the Challenger -class, the Springfield -class, the New Orleans -class, and the Nebula -class.

Of all these starship classes, only the Nebula -class went on to make further appearances. Some of them were probably too gruesome for the actual close-ups, 'cause we had something like a shuttlecraft that was ripped open [remark: the Type 7 shuttlecraft Kotoi ] , and had bodies strapped to the chairs inside and had some corpses with ragged clothes hanging around on sticks to show floating in space, but I don't think they didn't any of that or else they were so small you couldn't see it.

But we did a three engined ship for that and we did a one engined ship for that, which I think I still have someplace, because I just let them use that out of our stock inventory. We just took parts of the Enterprise we had left over and added nacelles and some other crap to it like that.

The ships that were created by Miarecki were embellished with custom-made parts and appropriately modified and battle-damaged by Michael Okuda. Not decals, but yes, they did have names and registry numbers. The Melbourne , Kyushu , and Chekov were specifically labeled as such because of the script references to those ships.

I didn't know about the re-voiced name Tolstoy until I saw the final episode on the air, so I didn't do a label for that ship.

I showed him the model and said something like, "See what you did! Despite lasting only a few seconds, the scene in which three sentry pods are destroyed while the Borg cube passes Mars entailed a lot of work, such as the sentry pod having to be multiplied and "destroyed" in post-production.

The scene was particularly challenging because it involved so many different elements that had to be composited together. Robert Legato, who served as a visual effects supervisor not only on the DS9 episode, but also on the TNG one, observed, " If it's a battle sequence that involves three or four ships, the work goes up in geometric proportions.

For ten seconds of screen time, you've shot four or five days. That's a big shot. It has Mars in it, it has the starfield, the three ships blowing up, and the Borg ship flying towards us and away.

Cinefantastique , Vol. The following is a listing of ships that were either referred to in canon or mentioned in valid resource material by production staffers as having potential connections with the battle, but are not canonically confirmed as having such.

Constitution -class primary hull wreck in front of a Galaxy -class nacelle. If the Endeavour had indeed been a participant of the battle, it would have made the ship the sole survivor of the battle as stated in the Star Trek Encyclopedia 4th ed. We know that the Endeavour was still around in because it was part of the armada that met the Borg in Star Trek: First Contact. It therefore seems likely that the Endeavour and Amasov were also at Wolf in There was also a free-floating Galaxy -class type of nacelle seen in the debris field, though several other classes use similar nacelles as well.

Furthermore, according to the Star Trek Encyclopedia 3rd ed. A statement quoted by Captain Kathryn Janeway in " Scorpion " from Captain Amasov leaves it open to interpretation if the USS Endeavour was involved in this battle or another unknown skirmish with the Borg, prior to The Star Trek Encyclopedia 3rd ed.

Gary Hutzel preparing the Enterprise wreck model for its appearance. Enterprise study model. The presence of both in said scene has yet to be confirmed in the aired version of the episode. There are, however, several deep background objects that still remain unidentified. It is also feasible that the models were filmed but that this footage was originally not used in the compositions for "The Best of Both Worlds, Part II".

The same goes for the various proto- Excelsior -class models , originally built for The Search for Spock , as Mike Okuda reiterated in regard to the graveyard scene, " The mysterious four-nacelled ship appears to have been another Excelsior study model built by Bill George for Star Trek III.

I think there might have been a photo of it in one of the "art-of" books. We had at least three or four of those Bill George models kicking around. One of them is still hanging in the DS9 graphics department ". As to the ship listings of the participants in the battle, Michael Okuda remarked, " The various 'mystery' ships in the BOBW2 listings in the Encyclopedia were all ships that were either referred to in dialogue, or were models that were filmed for the 'graveyard' scene.

We did not make up any specifically to flesh out the Encyclopedia , although we the production staff did NOT come up with a definitive list of ships in the battle. I was tempted to try to develop one, but it occurred to me that future episodes might need to 'remember' a previously forgotten Wolf ship for as-yet-unwritten storylines, just as the DS9 pilot did with Sisko's ship, the Saratoga. In fact, "Infinite Regress" suggests that Seven of Nine personally assimilated at least one of those people.

The Klingon starships mentioned in dialogue, specifically, in Hanson's pronouncement, " We've mobilized a fleet of forty starships at Wolf and that's just for starters According to StarTrek. The battle scene shown in "Unity" was stock footage from DS9 : " Emissary ", " The Way of the Warrior ", newly edited in post-production.

When Picard asks the Borg Queen in that film how she survived the battle, she replies it is sad that he only thinks in "three-dimensional terms. Listed to the right are several Starfleet vessels which also participated in the battle, according to various licensed apocryphal, but non-canon sources. The Peter David novel Vendetta also mentions that one Galaxy -class ship was destroyed in the battle.

It was not stated which was intended to be which. The canonical Kyushu was a New Orleans -class ship. In the Marvel Comics Star Trek: Voyager comic book contained in issue 10, a story entitled " Ghosts " deals with survivors of Wolf , trapped in a temporal rift, with Voyager attempting to rescue the survivors before the nature of the rift forces them to return to the battle or risk the destruction of Voyager.

Three Miranda -class ships one with a "roll bar" , and a dozen or so Federation starships of unidentifiable class were depicted as being at the battle, as were a Nebula -class, a Galaxy -class, and an Excelsior -class ship. Also, at least one Klingon Bird-of-Prey , at least three K't'inga -class starships, and one Vor'cha -class ship were seen fighting the Borg cube. The other Nebula model ended up on one of the side tables in Sisko's office in DS9.

I think it was label 'Melbourne', too. Summarizing, there are definitely models of both the Springfield and the Challenger, while there is probably none for the Rigel. Only three of the ships were explicitly mentioned in BoBW, when Shelby identified their wrecks on screen.

She said: "The Tolstoy Interestingly, this line was supposed to include the Chek h ov, the Kyushu and the Melbourne at first. Obviously the producers thought the reference to Pavel Chekov sounded too cute and altered it in the post-production.

It is interesting too that the ship's name is spelt "Chekhov" in the script, so it would be a reference to Russian dramatist Anton Chekhov rather than to Pavel Chekov. Moreover, should it be a coincidence that Leo Tolstoy, another famous Russian author, took his place? The name printed on the model, however, is "Chekov". Anyway, the dialogue is not necessarily a hint which starships are actually on the screen. If there was no Tolstoy at all in the filmed scene, this wouldn't affect the dialogue very much, unless someone pointed at the ship.

The following screen caps act as a short chronological summary of the graveyard scene in "The Best of Both Worlds II". We show HD caps from the remastered episode, which uses the same footage as the original, without digitally altering any details. After bugging Michael Okuda and Ed Miarecki with our questions and analyzing screen caps, we have been able to find ships in the wreckage that correspond with the above descriptions and the available footage. Click the links to obtain more information about the single ships.

A very detailed Constitution engineering hull appears just before the commercial break, only to vanish just after the break see the chronological sequence of screen caps further above. The saucer of the ship is hardly recognizable, but appears before the break on the viewscreen. This is the flattest of the Excelsior study models. We thought that the ship could be seen in the upper half of the Enterprise-D screen, but eventually identified this one as the Chekov.

More correctly, these models were built as soon as for a Trek movie called "Planet of the Titans" that was never made. Anyway, variant I can be identified as one of a few additional ships besides an additional planet in a modified scene in TNG: "Unification I" as 4. We believe that the very same take was originally made for BoBW and then inserted into the foreground.

The ships so far identified in "The Best of Both Worlds" are labeled on the following screen caps. It would have been the wrong approach to take the number of 39 ships and try to find them all in the wreckage.

There is no reason to assume that the number of wrecks on screen matches the one in the dialogue, much less that each of the wrecks was supposed to be a specific ship of a specific class. Probably no more than the eight vessels in the list at the top of this page did actually have a proper class, name and registry.

There were quite a few "Enterprises" and "Excelsiors" and even an "Alka-selsior" among the wrecks. Most of the starships, especially those in the far background, might remain and maybe better remain a mystery. All HD screen caps by TrekCore. We would like to express our gratitude to Mike Okuda and Ed Miarecki who provided several pieces of first-hand information.

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